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Does Heaven really exist?

Post by tikii on Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:29 pm

Does Heaven exist?

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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by k1y0 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:15 pm

ummm..no idea...
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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by CY-T on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:04 am

Heaven exists if you believe it exists Smile

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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by pri on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:06 am

nonono, Heaven is there even if you don't believe. It's not something that exists only in your mind
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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by CY-T on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:09 pm

i have to disagree

its just the same as asking if god exists

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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by tikii on Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:09 pm

I guess it is all in the persons' opinion about these matters.
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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by yukei =) on Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:28 pm

God exists, whether you believe so or not. its like asking whether gravity exists.
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Post by pri on Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:04 pm

exactly~
its not about opinion, its a fact.. whether you choose to believe it or not
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Post by tikii on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:24 pm

From the video, it just makes me believe that it is for real.
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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by CY-T on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:23 am

gravity there is scientific proof...

anyways... i'm not going to say more being an atheist
discussions about god is too controversial and goes nowhere

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Post by yukei =) on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:30 am

but if you talk science, whos to say scientific proof is the TRUTH?
im not saying science is not trustworthy..but if you can "blindly" believe in everything about science that (imperfect humans who makes mistakes alll the time in the course of human history) developed, God is much more real than the science humans know about!

oh trust me, God is as scientific as you can get. at the end of the day, it was God who created gravity and science!

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Post by tikii on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:05 am

lol same, atheist here. Just wanted to share this video =]
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Post by pri on Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:35 am

most scientists are Christians coz the more they scientifically prove things, the complexity and how things are 'just right' so that we don't die is pretty much impossible if it happens by chance if we're talking about probability..

it's like saying taking all the materials that a watch would need, put them together and started to shake it and hoping one day after some billion years, a watch would be made
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Post by CY-T on Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:00 pm

i wouldn't say most scientists are christians....
it may be safe to say that about the western world but you can't assume that because half the world's population is in asia

with regards to science, i wouldn't say i blindly believe everything they say....
i know with science as one question is answered a dozen more arise
however i do acknowledge the fact that "gravity" as we call it exists because we live under these constraints everyday as well as other proven facts

yukei... there is no absolute truth.... truth is what our minds perceive to be correct...
what may be the truth to you may not be the truth to others
let the war on terrorism be an example...

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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by Pearl on Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:25 pm

well i guess gravity is not a good example in this case, a better example would be love.
u cant see love, neither touch, but love exist, and God is love!
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Post by CY-T on Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:06 pm

u cant see or touch gravity either ;P

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Re: Does Heaven really exist?

Post by pri on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:11 am

cy-t, I'm not even gonna start because most places in Asia forbids to even talk about God. and what do you mean there is no absolute truth? when you say that there is no absolute truth you believe that that statement is an absolute truth such that there is no absolute truth...

Does God exist is not like an art question where different people have different opinion and there is no wrong answer.. its like a math question.. there is only one answer, it doesn't matter if you think you are right.. it is what it is.
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Post by CY-T on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:29 am

when you say most places in asia i assume you are refering to china?
with that kind of statement i don't even have to say anything more

when i speak of "truth" i mean that a single statement may have many "truths" to it depending on how the reader or the audience interprets it...
there is no single correct answer

whether or not god exists there are always 2 answers depending on each person:
1. he exists
2. he doesn't exist

its a belief that can't be forced onto someone

ps. sorry if i offended anyone... i'm just trying to say that you can't be so narrowminded and have to acknowledge that others may not believe the same thing you do

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Post by pri on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:45 pm

most places..its not only China

when I speak of "truth" I meant the fact.. that only have one "truth" independent of how the reader or the audience interprets it. There is only one answer to it..

you are right, people always have a choice to believe in God or not, I am not being narrow minded at all and i do acknowledge that others might not believe the things that I do. What I am doing here is just stating a fact, i'm not trying to force it onto anyone.. at the end, it is a choice you have to make, no one can force you to it.

and I'm interested about what you have to say about God and what your point of view is
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Post by CY-T on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:39 pm

i don't really believe in god... but i don't deny the possibility that god may exist either

god is an element of hope in which people seek when in despair
god is also a figure who unites people together i guess because as individuals we are imperfect but when we join together we try to help each other out to make up for those imperfections

i feel that people who don't believe in god at first won't believe in god until something happens to them at which point they will begin to believe and hope that god will be there to save them

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Post by pri on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:38 pm

there are different gods in the world.. where people worship for their own benefits.
But I think you are mistaken that people who believe there is a God are Christians, someone can believe a God exist but is not a Christian. Being a Christian doesnt mean that now your life is gonna be all great and you dont have to work hard and everything is handed to you.. it just meant that you established a relationship with God, and the Holy Spirit comes and lives in you....

Also, if you think of it, the gods that 'give' people what they want when they want it isnt that powerful either... since they're being used in a sense. But Im not getting how God can be a media for us to make up for imperfections?

I agree with you, a lot of times we believe we can do anything and all our accomplishments are the results of our own hard work. And when something happens out of our expectation or something happened that we can't explain or even our failures and hardships.. we tend to blame God for doing that to us because there is nothing we can do in those situations. I'd like to say more but i g2g now haha,,

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Post by CY-T on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:58 pm

i don't think i said believing in god meant to be christian...
if i did say it then i apologize because there are many different gods that people believe in

and to my knowledge god doesn't give... he is a creator....

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Post by pri on Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:50 am

I was commenting on the God bring people together part.. with the Christian thing, thats what I know more about.. so I just used that..

God is a lot of things: He is a creator, provider, father, molder, love, omnipresent, alpha, omega...etc
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